Don't necessary think "get the men" as they build companies and make money etc. Purely because I earned triple the wage of my ex. Women also do these things and sometimes can influence their partners or husbands considering it is mostly mother's who take their kids to activities in the church in the first place!
I do think its take "balls" to be in touch with your emotions as a man and not be afraid of what people say. After all Jesus cried, loved and got angry.
God has designed a variety of different personalities to speak into people's lives. That will mean a variety of styles and characters and God sends them into people's lives with a character that person can associate with.
Personally, I think we need to be the person God made us to be regardless of society's stereotype. Also, not allow the church to change us but to allow God and our relationship with Him to change us.
I do get what the speaker means though. Nothing like a bit of rough lol
I wonder if it freaked King David out, who was man after Gods own heart. Man looks on the outward appearance God looks on the heart. It's not about your giving, your language, your actions or how you use your body, first and foremost it is about your heart. Your heart will inform and direct all those other things. What you do and how you live is out of the overflow of your heart. Sorry for the rant, Wiggy I just blogged on Driscoll thanks for getting us thinking.
I think 'Fresh Expressions' of church which take the church to the community is one possible antidote to this.
Eg I am hoping to build a bus ministry, so that church takes place in the heart of community and my hope is that those who come to Christ through this are the 'dudes' and the real men (whatever that means?).
hi question of identity that is a fab idea. i like the idea of a bus and had an idea something like yours. i thought a bus that could go into travelling communites to reach very forgotten people. all the best for your dream x
The problem in "our churches" is watered down and pick'n'mix Theology, not which gender the church is most orientated around. I get what he says but I think because it's just a clip of perhaps a larger talk it's been taken slightly out of its proper context.
You know, this talk of masculine christianity slightly disturbs me (not because I am not a man). I have read some of Eldridge's stuff, and this guy here seems to be on the same line of thought. Don't get me wrong, both seem to have some very good core truths contained in what they say, especially concerning masculine identity and how it is ok to be a man...However, this theology is potentially dangerous to all men. We have this idea coming about now that to be a REAL Christian man, you have to be sucessful in business (as well as ethical), sucessful with chicks (as well as respectful) and have to love climbing mountains and killing bears! If thats your thing, thats aight, but some feel almost like they are less of a man by not living up to such expectations. In fact, I would go as far to say that such a stress on this type of masculine emasculates men who do not want to conform!
Why can't I just be me? Masculine and feminine side. Why can I not enjoy sitting round a table with friends, drinking a glass of wine and talking about my feelings/thoughts as much as some guys enjoy killing things and eating it up a freezing cold mountain? I have my OWN identity, and don't take too kindly to some macho american telling me that I should be this, or be that. Its for some, but it needs to be recognised that not all the BEST men are sucessful high flying business types who go skydiving at the weekend. Some great men have just been thinkers, philosophers, comforters. We can be who God made us to be, and if it is a macho man, then fair play to you.
I will finish by saying that the one thing such teaching does encourage us to be (or at least should encourage us) is honest; honest with ourselves, honest with each other. We need to be real-we cannot, must not conform to standards set by society (such as christian men are such and such). We must revel in our God given identity and NEVER conform to an identity that is NOT us; regardless of what your identity is (unless it is serial murderer!).
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Amen to that brother! Get the poofs out!
Right enough Wigs you would be the first out the door with some of the gear I've seen you in...
Don't necessary think "get the men" as they build companies and make money etc. Purely because I earned triple the wage of my ex.
Women also do these things and sometimes can influence their partners or husbands considering it is mostly mother's who take their kids to activities in the church in the first place!
I do think its take "balls" to be in touch with your emotions as a man and not be afraid of what people say. After all Jesus cried, loved and got angry.
God has designed a variety of different personalities to speak into people's lives. That will mean a variety of styles and characters and God sends them into people's lives with a character that person can associate with.
Personally, I think we need to be the person God made us to be regardless of society's stereotype. Also, not allow the church to change us but to allow God and our relationship with Him to change us.
I do get what the speaker means though. Nothing like a bit of rough lol
I really find a lot of this guys teaching quite good, but he comes across as arrogant and narrow in his understanding of what it means to be a man.
i dont like much of what he says here but i do think there is an over-emphasis in church on the lie that it's "all about your heart".
no its not. it's about how you live, talk, act, give money, use your body etc...
sometimes i think the heart thing freaks guys out a little...
I wonder if it freaked King David out, who was man after Gods own heart. Man looks on the outward appearance God looks on the heart. It's not about your giving, your language, your actions or how you use your body, first and foremost it is about your heart. Your heart will inform and direct all those other things. What you do and how you live is out of the overflow of your heart. Sorry for the rant, Wiggy I just blogged on Driscoll thanks for getting us thinking.
I think 'Fresh Expressions' of church which take the church to the community is one possible antidote to this.
Eg I am hoping to build a bus ministry, so that church takes place in the heart of community and my hope is that those who come to Christ through this are the 'dudes' and the real men (whatever that means?).
hi question of identity that is a fab idea. i like the idea of a bus and had an idea something like yours. i thought a bus that could go into travelling communites to reach very forgotten people. all the best for your dream x
The problem in "our churches" is watered down and pick'n'mix Theology, not which gender the church is most orientated around. I get what he says but I think because it's just a clip of perhaps a larger talk it's been taken slightly out of its proper context.
Any chance of a flamin update....
You know, this talk of masculine christianity slightly disturbs me (not because I am not a man). I have read some of Eldridge's stuff, and this guy here seems to be on the same line of thought. Don't get me wrong, both seem to have some very good core truths contained in what they say, especially concerning masculine identity and how it is ok to be a man...However, this theology is potentially dangerous to all men. We have this idea coming about now that to be a REAL Christian man, you have to be sucessful in business (as well as ethical), sucessful with chicks (as well as respectful) and have to love climbing mountains and killing bears! If thats your thing, thats aight, but some feel almost like they are less of a man by not living up to such expectations. In fact, I would go as far to say that such a stress on this type of masculine emasculates men who do not want to conform!
Why can't I just be me? Masculine and feminine side. Why can I not enjoy sitting round a table with friends, drinking a glass of wine and talking about my feelings/thoughts as much as some guys enjoy killing things and eating it up a freezing cold mountain? I have my OWN identity, and don't take too kindly to some macho american telling me that I should be this, or be that. Its for some, but it needs to be recognised that not all the BEST men are sucessful high flying business types who go skydiving at the weekend. Some great men have just been thinkers, philosophers, comforters. We can be who God made us to be, and if it is a macho man, then fair play to you.
I will finish by saying that the one thing such teaching does encourage us to be (or at least should encourage us) is honest; honest with ourselves, honest with each other. We need to be real-we cannot, must not conform to standards set by society (such as christian men are such and such). We must revel in our God given identity and NEVER conform to an identity that is NOT us; regardless of what your identity is (unless it is serial murderer!).
Totally agree with you Molar! We should all be who God designed us to be and not allow anything other than His voice to guide us.
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